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Guys, if you listen to the show, you’ve heard me talk a lot about hiring VAs. A good VA will save you time, which you can spend working on getting more deals going. And, as always, a great source for solid VA candidates in Latin America.

I’ve got a special guest and Colombia native Frans Calderon on the show today to talk about a special program he created to help teach kids English as well as set them up to work virtually. Many of those students go on to join Frans’ company, Rock REI, which feeds money back into the education program.

Many of these kids come from really tough situations. Poverty, abuse, and political unrest seem inescapable to many Latin American youth, but the Rock REI program seeks to give those kids a chance to succeed and show them that there is another way. In addition to teaching English and virtual business skills, Frans’ program helps provide the students with groceries, clothing, and even a trip to the beach: something most of these kids thought they would never do.

If you’d like to help sponsor the life-changing education of a Latin American kid today, go to Humanity.RockREI.com and sign up for one of their multiple levels of membership.

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What’s inside:

  • The value of a good VA
  • How Frans Calderon rose out of poverty to become a successful investor.
  • The Rock REI education program.
  • Bonus interview with 3 of Frans’ students.

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Joe:  Welcome. This is the Real Estate Investing Mastery podcast. Welcome, welcome, guys, Joe McCall here, the real estate investing mastery show got a great treat for you today because we have a special guest here who's been on the show before. I talked to him before about how to do lease options with pre foreclosures. All right, so stay tuned. If you want to see that episode or hear that episode, just look up our guests name and you'll find that episode. But today we're going to be talking about something cool. Frans Calderon has started something where from his home country in Colombia, he's been helping people do some really, really cool things and helping them learn English. Training them on some life skills, teaching them how to fish and then becoming virtual assistants for investors like him here in the United States. So it's going to be really cool. I met Frans again for the second or third time at a conference that we were at just a month ago or so, a couple three weeks ago, and I said, man, it's amazing what you're doing. Let's get you on the podcast and talk about it, talk about how we as an audience can help and how we could maybe even hire some of his virtual assistants. It's a cool story. You're going to love it. All right, so real quick, this podcast is brought to you by my book, my book Simple Lease Options. If you want this book, you can get it for free just by going to watch my webinar SLOclass.com. Simple lease options is the easiest and fastest way to do more deals in any market, even especially now in this difficult, crazy market and you want to learn all about it. You can get this book for free by just watching my webinar over at SLOclass.com. All right, cool. Let's bring Frans. I keep on wanting to call you Frans for some reason, but how you are you doing Frans?

Frans:  Very good. Very good. Thank you for inviting me to the podcast again.

Joe:  I'm glad you're here, man. Glad you're here. We were together recently in Orlando, and I also saw you in Tampa, in Tampa. Okay, yeah. So anyway, you were telling me about some crazy things that you were doing, and the room that we are in was really loud. But I remember thinking, that's such a cool thing that you're doing. Let's talk about it. Let's get you on the podcast. So why don't you introduce yourself? People don't remember me from our last podcast, by the way, that was over a year ago, a year and a month ago. Talk about what are you doing today and how did you get in the business?

Frans:  OK, thank you. So my name is Frans Calderon, I and real estate investor here in Charleston, South Carolina, and I have been investing in real estate for over 12 years. And also, I am the president of the Real Estate Investor Association here locally and always, I have been have a passion to do a contribution to humanity. You know, like in this podcast, we are real estate investors. I know everybody they live in right there. You're doing very well, very successful. And they always do give something to back, you know, their humanity because he's not only the purpose, OK, I'm going to get rich, I'm going to have everything for me by is how it can give back to the society so we can get all together. Nice.

Joe:  And so you start. You're from Colombia. How did you come here to the U.S. or how long ago did you come here to the U.S.?

Frans:  Yeah. I came here about 12 years ago to the US having an opportunity to come here. And then I was working for about a year for a company with a big company working in aviation. But I was investing on my thigh until about three years ago. I decided to go full time to real estate investing and from being have been just growing and growing and and they have been fantastic. My company and my dad had been growing as well, so have the opportunity to impact more lives.

Joe:  Nice. Very good. And so what is your real estate investing company look like today? What do you mainly doing?

Frans:  So we do a lot of rehabs and we are keeping like 90 percent of the properties. We are specializing in the bare metal buy. We have range and refinance and repeat, and we are moving to multifamily as well. Now we are focusing in multifamily properties. That's what we want to do now. Go to the next step.

Joe:  Nice. Nice. And so you've used you've used a lot of virtual assistants in your business. And where in the past have you hired virtual assistants from?

Frans:  So actually, having hired virtual assistant from the Philippines, Pakistan and Greece here in Spain, Nicaragua, Colombia, Guatemala all around the place?

Joe:  Yeah. And where where are your favorite VAS from?

Frans:  So the favorites Vas are actually from my country. Colombia are from the Philippines, Philippines that are really, really good as well. They are great.

Joe:  There are some big investors out there that get a lot of their vas now from South America and Latin America and have got great success with them and are doing really well. And I think one of the reasons why, especially depending on what parts of the country you're from and this is one of the reasons why Frans I was so interested in what you were talking about is Spanish is becoming a lot more accepted in the United States. It's becoming a lot more common and more appreciated. And I think that especially like just give you an example, I was trying to do some deals in Riverside County about five six. Years ago, and I'm used to doing deals in St. Louis, and I was shocked, I was blown away by how many people I was speaking to in Riverside County that spoke only Spanish. Maybe they had broken English and I didn't do. I understand kind of what I couldn't help them. They could help me. So it just never happened. But then I started realizing, you know, because I was born and raised in California. And there's a lot of investors that are in Arizona and New Mexico and California, and a lot of parts of Florida even and the East Coast. There's a lot of people that speak Spanish. And if you imagine if you had a virtual assistants that also spoke Spanish and good English, that could help you help these sellers either buy or sell a home. What an advantage that would be. And so one of the cool things I was talking to France about this, and I was saying, Well, OK, how do you find these VAS and what do you do and how do you train them? And you know, is the internet bad over there and what's it like and all that? And he said, No, and it's amazing. It's really, really good. And so he started telling me about friends. I'm excited about this, and we're going to share your screen here in a minute. And we also have three of your friends that are here with us, and we're going to talk with them on the podcast from Colombia and Nicaragua, I think, right? Yeah. And so you had this crazy idea of like how to actually help some people in your home area of Colombia and talk about that. Do you want to share your screen now or you want to tell your story a little bit first?

Frans:  Yeah, let's share the screen and we're going to..

Joe:  Let me bring it on there or there. Look at that. OK? This is this is your website, right? What website is this?

Frans:  Yeah, this is huge. I actually I'm going to send it here on the set. You come with it right? There is Humanity.RockREI.com. OK. So yeah, everything happened that like Shalimar in Charleston, I started to help many customers in Spanish, especially buyers. They are very good buyers, renters for rent to own, for lease option. You know, these cases, especially in these auctions, the Hispanic community loves to do lease auctions, so I start to have more and more customer that actually I couldn't help them because they were calling me and calling and calling me, and I was the only one speaking in Spanish, so it was hard. And I used to have a lot of a base in the Philippines, so it does create a need for me and I say, OK, I need to start to find VAS that they are bilingual in Spanish and English. So I start to fine, fine and I start to find people in Colombia to speak very well English. And I was surprised, you know, even you can feel that I have a simple accent. Sometimes they help me, you know, I'm good. So now we have been able to keep growing because we are serving the Hispanic community any needs that they have. We have somebody that can speak in English. We need communicating in Spanish and we need to communicate in English. The local people here, we communicate in English as well. So that would have been tremendously well. So thanks to that, that's the reality that that that we are living right now where experience with Colby, everything got even more virtual. So everybody is working beautifully. And that's the reality that we have and actually sent me because I have a lot of more friends like in person like me that say friends, where we can get more, be a good base and less than that. So years ago that I was in Colombia, I went to visit one of my one foundation that that we support for several years. So I went there and I start to see the needs that they have. They are supporting a families in poverty in Bogota, Colombia. So when I was there, I say, what is another way that we can contribute to to the foundation and they say, Friend, you know, we can do a I know an Irish person to Providence and I say, what kind of programs? And they say, Hey, some people have value programs, music and bands, something like that. And I would say, OK, that's good, but not enough that we sign to me. So I was thinking and thinking how we can contribute more in that and then get the idea. I say, What about you? We teach these people how to learn. I speak English. So in the future they can be working virtually because there's a huge need for people that is bilingual. So even when these foundation, you start brokering humanity and we create the broken English with our board, a world of opportunities.

Joe:  So now those of you, by the way, you're listening to the audio podcast, what we're doing is Frans is showing us his website. You should check it out, but it tells the story of kind of what's going on here. And just to summarize it, if you can't see it, I apologize. But you showing pictures here of, Frans, why don't you please describe what you're showing here on the on the go this.

Frans:  At the beginning, we want to create show the parole in the situation that they are. So many people, not only in Bogota, Colombia is around the world that they're in poverty and we're having these the reality that they're living. They don't have opportunities for rent. So we showed a real picture of families right there, how they are living in terrible conditions and they are making even about, for example, in Colombia, the minimum wage is about ten dollars per day. So we're showing that. And actually, what is the aim, the importance of this, that that is one of the main reasons of poverty, delinquency, violence, that the young people fall in the drugs because they don't have a conscience, they don't have opportunity, they don't see a future, they don't see how they can do get out or the place where they add, you know, they are in the mud and they don't see how they can get up from there. And actually, for those who know about my story, actually, I was born in a low income neighborhood in Bogota, Colombia, for some years. I have the same mindset I would like. You know, he's no opportunities for me. I think I'm going to be poor for the rest of my life. Me and my family, and there's going to be my destiny, you know, having just two years of year to reprogram my mind, to change it. So the light, the light more right there and we say, OK, we'll let you join forces with the Foundation Family Digital Foundation with the same that is like an excellent educational institute in Colombia. And actually, we got a program with the University of Cambridge on England and broad great company. And then we say, OK, let's join forces to create this program, the English Without Borders, and this program consists in that the the donation that we gave or the contribution that we are doing, how we can impact their lives, how we can teach them to fish, give them fish, why they learn how to fish so they can have fish for the rest of their lives. Yes. So with the English, with the salmon, we have approved an English and these 10 levels, so they are going to be studying with virtually 100 percent beautifully. They have a tutor feature excellent quality that is one of the best English courses that that is available. They do it 10 levels and after that, they are going to have an advance English training with the University of Cambridge University. Then we're going to providing a course of how to work visually, how to find jobs visually. Our goal is to help them to to find a job. And actually, we're looking to do this program and sustain it. So we say OK, when they layer, when they get hired, we want that. They give a little portion of their salary back to the nonprofit organization so they can sponsor markets, kids. And these continue growing and growing and growing and is sustainable by itself. And actually, you know, I don't want to take this last portion of sustainable program. I don't want to take the credit for that. Joe was one of the LRAD, and we appreciate that when you're done with your idea and we say, that's really good, let's implement it. Let's put it right here.

Joe:  Nice talk about. I appreciate that. Thank you very much. Talk a little bit about what you do with you. Give them some groceries. You take them to the beach and talk about This is really cool. I love it.

Frans:  Absolutely. So what happens? So initially, when we started to with the Semi-digital Foundation because they have been working with this community for 18 years, so I present the program they love when they say, that is fantastic, let's do it. But when they receive a call from the president of the foundation and they say friends are one that you don't get a lot of expectations. And I say, What is that? They say, Fran, because these families, these kids, they are living in a terrible situation is a tough condition. You know, they have abuse, they have intellectual abuse, sexual abuse, all kind of abuse. So the reality is very dark. So they they feel that there is not nothing else for them. So I don't think many people is going to subscribe today to the program. But so I do want to let you know Prince and I were like, Wow, that's good, you know? And I was thinking about that and I say, You know what? I'm teaching my mindset. If I'm going to see these families or these kids as they were giving to them, I'm going to treat them as a customer. So a customers, I need to put strategy an excellent offer for them. And now a hundred million offer. So they get excited and they go for it. So I changed my presentation. Wickedly funny to present the program to. Then we meet the kids. 16 people waiting by it to the presentation.

Joe:  You're invited. You invited six kids to come to your first presentation in Colombia, right?

Frans:  Correct. It's like we might. Six kids your first presentation when we sat there, presented the program, and let let me tell you what everything quickly is. I started to learn about the English or the opportunity that they're going to have that the future selling the. And instead, to present day English course and everybody was OK to study English, not in a they don't see it, but I say we were thinking of doing some brainstorming how we can attract them. So we say, OK, for each label that you pass, that you complete, successfully complete, you're going to get a basket with groceries because they have the need. They are hungry. So we say every therefore level you get a grocery with baskets, but they were thinking, why don't we put in the offer? So we say when you complete the label number five, you're going to receive an entire outfit. So we're giving some clothes for the brand new and we know how long it takes to complete each level. It is. I've always been one to two months, depending the two months, and it's all done virtually or don't be really correct.

Joe:  So they could go to a school if they don't have a computer and learn. Correct?

Frans:  Correct. OK, then we say, Let's do it. Let's do something crazy. Let's let's let's get them inspired so they can have a new reality. So we say, OK, whoever all these students who successfully complete the 10 levels, the first level, they are going to receive a trip to the beach and limited menu. For example, if people are here in Charleston, the beach is about 30 minutes from my house, so it's no no surprise by Bogota, Colombia. The beach is very far away. And when I go, the people they see poverty go to the beach is going to the biggest accomplishment that they can have in their life. It's amazing that they don't think that they can go to the beach during their entire life. You know, when I was for the first time, maybe I was 15 years old and I was like, extremely happy. You know, I was. But I still remember that trip because I was one of the most amazing trips.

Joe:  So every level they complete and this is a course teaching them English, correct? They get a basket of groceries. And then by the fifth, on the fifth level, they get an outfit, some clothes. And then once they finish all 10 levels of English, they can win a free trip to the beach, which is just blows my mind. But how far of a drive is it, you know, from Bogota to the ocean? How long have you drive?

Frans:  It's about what say, it's about between 15 to 18 hours.

Joe:  OK, so do they fly or do you drive?

Frans:  That's driving. Flying can take about, oh, I always say about two to three hours.

Joe:  OK, nice.

Frans:  And so when you say when you're in poverty, you don't even think that you're going to have a big deal. She's like, Yeah, but you know, OK. Yeah, it's like, for these kids. They're going to be flying or tkaing a bus but flying or driving? They've been to the beach.

Joe:  Wow. It's amazing.

Frans:  And the most important is that we. That's amazing. That's good. But we say the most important is that they really can get a job and start to change their lives because as soon we have one of them get a job, all the entire community start to see the example and they're going to start to to believe more in themselves in the program. And they're going to study with more passion and love. We're right there with your help. We're going to start to impacting their lives, that community and entire society because the recession is no more than a fifth, you know, one month is going to impact their kids and so on and so on.

Joe:  I love it. So they're also going to get an advanced English course then from Cambridge University. That's online, right? Virtual learning, correct. And then you're also going to be giving them another course after that of how to do how to work virtually for an international company. Correct. How to be a virtual assistant or how to find work for any kind of international company? Right. Yeah, I love that. And then talk about this sustainable program here down below. But the Rosmarin? How does this fit into it?

Frans:  Yeah, this is attainable program. You know, we're going to get the forces like like they were they we saw on the news and that is many companies looking for bilingual people. So actually, we take a screenshot, we share it with all the students. A lot of my friends really think based on how they were posting on Facebook, Hey, who can recommend me a good virtual assistant who can recommend me a good virtual assistant? And I was taking a screenshot and send it to the students? Hey, look this. This is real. So this is yeah, we went to create like a company to hide these students and start to provide that service, the virtual assistant tool to really scene based on all company that they need it. And that is one portion of their salary that they just go back automatically to the program. So they are going to keep giving back to all their families to it. It gets nice.

Joe:  That's cool. All right. So go down. Keep on going down your website. What are these? If people wanted to sponsor, these are some different levels, right?

Frans:  Could we create three different levels for the sponsors? You know, level one, the sponsor level one is two. Forty nine dollars per month, or they can do it the third year if they won and is two with that one, we can sponsor one kid. So level one is going to sponsor one kid, the level two the got. Father is $99 a month with dollar, we can sponsor two kids, and the level three is one ninety nine a month. And with that one, we're going to be able to sponsor four kids. So. And each label we create on an incentive for people that want to be a sponsor, you know, like in the VIP, get quality. We want that the student, do our personnel be you? Thank you for fortuitous contribution. You know you're going to have something within because we're receiving those kids and families are real and they are starting right now. So they are real something that we want to do in the future with the VIP godfathers that create opportunity for Dan and their families to go, we'd ask to Colombia and maybe give those groceries to the kids so they can see the reality, because most of you that at least in this Post podcast or watching us on YouTube, I'm sure maybe you see your kids that they don't value the food or clothes, anything you don't. So this is going to be a tremendous impact for them. When they go to a different place, they see the reality of other people when they see their situation, the condition that they are living, that's going to change your life. And that changed when I was there, you know, in about two three years ago with my sister, we say, OK, let's take a bunch of groceries for Christmas to take it to these families. When we were there, we were like, Oh my God, this is like heartbreaking. And we say, we have we have to do something different and something that we can help really these people.

Joe:  Nice. Very cool.

Frans:  Next, we have some pictures. Right? Here is a real picture of the 16 people actually of the 16 that went through the presentation. We close a hundred percent. The aliens Olin. Then they were clapping and somehow they were so happy. They say, Yeah, we want to join the. Awesome. So actually, we have five kids, seven young people and four single mom. Wow. So imagine this. We have a forty seven year old single mom. Wow. By there, and I'm so proud, you really will do now. They were like, Oh my God, this is so great. OK, and look, these are the testimonials now down. We have all the kids and moms that they already accomplished the label. No one. Nice. They already received their groceries. Here we have some pictures as well of the Sun. So no, those kids, the situation is like they don't have even a computer or a smartphone. So we purchased on laptops and so on keyboards. We send it to the foundation. So they are based the foundation so the kids can go there and in group, they can take those classes, they can be learning together. So we have those pictures right there. Those are real. So we provide that to them so they can have the tools to learn English. Nice. And I want to tell you this story. To finish, this is so you, Maria, and you have five kids. So she's a single mom. She's working in a coffee shop and she's making $5 per day. And with that, you have to pay for their food or get a family, you know? Yeah, she had to play everything, you know, education, clothes, children, everything. And that's very difficult to join the program to learning how to speak English. And she's getting those skills and that dream. Now she's like, OK, said, now try to see a future. And we were upfront with them. You know, I learned how to speak English and takes about one or two years. So we told in the beginning this, you know, like be like magic quick berries. You know, you're going to take time and effort by you. Stay here, you are going to be eventually having that opportunity. So yeah, that's what we have.

Joe:  Cool. And then you brought some friends with us, right? But Joseph and Luisa and Gabriella left. Maybe she'll come back, I hope. Can I bring them on? Is that OK?

Frans:  Absolutely. Let's bring this on.

Joe:  There's Joseph and Luisa. Hi, there. How are you guys?

Joseph:  Good, thanks for asking!

Luisa:  Great. Yes.

Joe:  Okay, Joseph, I would like to thank you. You know, for be here. I would like quickly. You tell us, what's your name? Where are you from? How do you speak? How did you learn how to speak English? How long are you working virtually?

Joseph:  OK? My name is Joseph. I'm from Nicaragua. Nicaragua have a real difficult situation. Politics situation. I don't know if you guys know something about that. But for that reason, I was looking for more opportunities. And they began to learn English since I am 15 years old. Actually, I'm twenty six, so I learned how to speak English. I'm an engineer assistant. And so then I began to look for opportunities and I began to work here in my country. But for the same situation, they couldn't continue working here and I was with my teacher, English teacher. His name is Adolfo. I was trying to look for more opportunities and he help me to connect with Rock REI real estate. And I have. Actually, I have around the two years working virtually and one year working with Rock REI Real Estate in the company that I am right now. If you can see my T-shirt. I love this. Yeah, and it's a really great opportunity and have been great for myself, you know.

Joe:  Joseph, what do you do for rock real estate? What are some of the activities that you help with?

Joseph:  OK, I'm the manager. I'm in charge of the list to do the skip tracing, to supervise that everything, everyone be calling in the right way and that disposition managers in the costumer and there is keep working in the in the right way. That's my role in the company.

Joe:  Very good. And actually Joseph is the tech guy you know he's. Yes. Yeah. Everything on the ball. He helped us to get the finance, to get there. Anything that we need technology and just how we could do this and that.

Joseph:  And I created a website for a Rock REI Real Estate as well.

Joe:  Nice. Very good. Well, thank you, Joseph. Glad you're here! Okay, now let's go with Louis. So, Louis, so as well, you can tell us your name. A how long that you learn, how to speak English and what did you experience working virtually?

Luisa:  Okay. Thank you, friends. Thank you, Joe. Yes, my name is Louisa, so I am twenty six years old. I am from Bogota, Colombia. I learned to speak English. I did a course here in Colombia. And but actually, when I found this opportunity, my level of English was low. I had the opportunity to improve my level of English working with France in the company. I have been working with him more than one year. I am the closing coordinator and a executive assistance, you know, in charge of a work with the attorneys, making sure that the closing are good to go and help financing whatever he needs. So yes, I'm really proud of it as just to few to these sales and company and because we are helping our people and during this year working with him, I have the opportunity to purchase my my first investment apartment. And that is a really, really big yes, a big goal. So I'm very I'm very proud and everything cool with you, friends, for everything that you allow me to learn.

Joe:  That's awesome. Where did you buy this investment property?

Luisa:  Here in Bogota. Yes.

Joe:  Congratulations. Good. Thank you so much. And you're going to be buying more, right?

Luisa:  Yes, of course. Yes, I'm going to be.

Joe:  So good to hear. Cool. We have somebody else that just joined us. Who is this?

Frans:  Hello. We have got to be right now. So, Gaby? Yes. Hello. Your name? Where did you put on a? How did you learn how to speak English? How long are you working virtually?

Gabriella: OK. My name is Gabriella. I learned English at the university. I studied to be an English teacher. I've been working virtually since the pandemic started in March 2020. I joined Rob Rey this year. It is a life changing experience. You learn how to help people, you learn how to develop different skills. And also, as Lisa said, it helps you to grow as a person and to grow in your life. Also working to help me to buy my first car, which is also an investment. So yes, when you work in a company that allows you to be at home and allows you to grow and to get a deeper, better lifestyle. It's very nice. It makes your life a good ambassador and you're happier.

Joe:  Nice. Excellent. Good for you. And so, Gaby, where do you live?

Gabriella: I live in Bogota, in Colombia as well.

Joe:  Tell me, what if you guys don't mind ask or answering this question each of you like. What is it like getting access to technology, high speed internet, good computers in Bogota or Nicaragua where you live?

Gabriella: Yes, we do. We have to have a really good computer and a really good internet connection, so we have to to pay for it, you know, and it's part of our job. But the way we do it, because we are earning better, you know?

Joe:  And is it hard? Is it hard to find good, reliable, high speed internet where you are, Joseph?

Joseph: No, because I'm in the capital of Nicaragua, Managua, so it's not difficult to do it. But if you go in the north side of Nicaragua, it's going to be difficult to get a really good internet.

Joe:  OK, good. How about you?

Luisa:  Here as well, it's so easy to have the access to internet to the computer, so that is not problems with that.

Joe:  Nice. Gaby, how about you?

Gabriella: As Joseph said. I mean, we are with Louisa, we are in the capital of Colombia, which is easier to find good internet, high quality internet and mobile to computer well, you have to buy your own computer to have a good performance in your job.

Joe:  OK, you guys. Yeah, friends go ahead.

Frans:  Actually, I would like to ask a question to Joseph. Do you think that that these a program that we have been putting together because you have been part of this program as well, you have been collaborating with you. Do you really believe that that's going to create an impact on the lives of these people?

Joseph: Definitely. It's going to change their lives.

Luisa:  Absolutely, yes. Course? Yeah. I think that you are opening a door for them, a door that they did. They didn't even know that it was for them. You are showing them that there is a world that they can explore if they have a good English level and they, you know, they they probably heard about that. But now that they have that, they they are able to to touch, to leave it at, to experience it. They know that that it exists and they are happy about that.

Joe:  Yes, it's amazing. It's just amazing to me how the global economy has just so much opened up in a lot of good ways because of COVID, you know?

Frans:  Yeah, actually, when I remember that were with us, she's from Guatemala. And actually, she moved out. She moved to Spain and still she came here to work. You know, she's working from Spain, really, and she's happy working in Spain. The hours, she's a little more difficult by still working in Spain. She's bilingual and being a good contribution for the company.

Joe:  Can I ask you guys another question? What is the cost of living in Colombia in Bogota? What is a good living wage if for a for a single mother in Bogota? How about Luisa?

Luisa:  Actually, I would like that, Gabriela. Answer this question. Okay. She is.

Gabriella: Yeah. OK. The cost of living for a single mother is really difficult. If you don't have like the opportunity to study or the opportunity to have a good job. We can see the example of Maria that she has five kids that she's working in a coffee shop. If we go deeper into her background, we cannot do that. She didn't have the opportunity to study on a new university, so that makes her job opportunities very low. So if you do have it studies, if you don't try to make yourself like better in the working area, your life is going to be really difficult.

Joe:  Yeah. OK, Frans, maybe you can answer this like I'm just trying to figure out like, you know, what is a good, good living wage where, you know, single mother with three or four or five kids can support a family or even a single, I mean, married family, I don't know. But like for a family with three or four kids. What is a good annual or a monthly wage that you know where they can? They don't have to work three jobs. They can work from home and still take care of their family in Colombia, correct?

Frans:  So in Colombia right now, the minimum wages are about two hundred and fifty dollars per month, OK, and usually working six days a week. In Colombia, they work six days a week. So. And with those minimum wages used to barely survive. Yeah. So I'd say two hundred and fifty. So if they're if a mom is able to make about five hundred dollars a month, there's going to be a huge, huge, huge. You know, now where they have the opportunity to do it a little better due to maybe save a little something for the location of their kids, maybe two to go and leave one place close to Bogota to to enjoy publication. But then you start to have a better quality of life.

Joe:  OK. And so about a thousand dollars U.S. dollars a month, is that right? Yeah, OK. But let's say you have somebody that you're paying. I hope I'm not getting in trouble. I hope I'm not getting you in trouble with your with your employer, but because I have no idea how much you pay them. But like, if somebody is making a thousand dollars a month, is that like a college graduate type of salary? Yeah, you're totally crazy.

Frans:  Yeah, a college graduate is going to be making about seven hundred and fifty to a thousand dollars. Okay. Yeah, that is the average in Bogota, Colombia and Colombia if you start to gain more than one. $10 a month, then, yeah, you because you have a better education. Highest key to all of that. And these few people that are in those levels.

Joe:  Okay, very good. Well, I appreciate all of you, Joseph, Gaby and Luisa. Thank you so much for being on the podcast. I want to wish you guys the best. I hope I get to meet you guys someday. Yes.

Luisa:  Thank you. Of course, Joe, thank you so much.

Joe:  Yeah, I'd love to be able to go down to Colombia. Maybe some of these days. One of these days.

Luisa:  You're right. Yes.

Joe:  Thank you, guys. All right. So Frans, appreciate you being here. How can people get more information on your organization? And if they want to hire some VAs from the from Colombia, where do they go? What do you recommend to them?

Frans:  So to answer the first question is if you want to be part of these missions, you know you want to contribute to the humanity. You know, it's going to be big. You're going to continue growing these. You can go to humanity.rockREI.com.

Joe:  So I put it right here on the screen humanity.rockREI.com. And that takes you to the organization into the partnerships that you have with these, with these agencies that help people with the English.

Frans:  Exactly. And you are right here, you can be part of that. And one more thing. You know, we are going to be only at meeting people by invitation only. So right now, you have an invitation with my name right there. So you know that you're inviting and you can start to chat with your friends and family so we can be helping more people. We have more than a hundred and sixty applications right now. Like I say, we only need 60 students because thus we want to prove, you know, we want to show that that we can do these when we went to be lead by example. So we started doing it. Today is a special day for us because we are opening this one. Thank you for bringing us here because he's actually we're launching this funny look this website today so more people can go into this one. Nice. I need you right now. Of those two, we don't have nobody ready to be hired by is still in. You need to fight. You find people would beautiful assistance on bilingual. I would recommend Facebook groups, you know, on Facebook Groups. Yeah, and you can put a pause and looking for a bilingual virtual assistant and right there, you're going to be able to start to track a good candidate.

Joe:  What kind of Facebook group would you look for?

Frans:  Actually, I was looking to put on Facebook Group for buy and sell buy in the country that you want to hire. But really, you went to hide in Colombia, go to a Facebook group in Colombia. You want to do in Nicaragua, do it right there. Costa Rica, they are a great virtual assistants. They are bilingual as well. So you can put it in the Costa Rica Facebook group like buy and sell, buy and sell, Costa Rica, Facebook or something like that, or Colombia. Buy and sell. And that's amazing.

Joe:  Awesome. One more question I had for you the different levels the sponsors, the godfathers, the VIP godfather. How many kids can you help with each one?

Frans:  So with the level one, you can help one kid and is going to be forty nine dollars a month with the level two days, ninety nine dollars a month, you can help two kids either level three, they may be grandfather, you 199 is going to be four kids. So imagine these four lives that you are impacting, right? There is no you're like, OK, kids know that that life that you're helping with that kid is impacting his entire family because that kid now is bringing food to the table. You know, like his job is learning English and he go, Hey, mom, I have these these groceries now we can eat today, you know, so that's a good. Or they can have some clothes, mom. You have to buy me some clothes I'm going to buy. I had this outfit today, so that's going to be impacting those lives right there.

Joe:  Very good. humanity.rockREI.com. Frans, thank you for being on the podcast today. I really appreciate it.

Frans:  Thank you. And thank you, everybody, and I appreciate this opportunity to be here.

Joe:  Listen, God bless you and we'll see you later. All right. Bye bye.

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